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Shorewood senior shocked at what a call to 911 cost her

“I guess I was panicking a little bit because women don’t have the same symptoms as men for heart attack,” Sarrel said.

She dialed 911, and soon a team of North Shore emergency medical technicians were at her door. Her vitals were OK; so was the electrocardiogram. They told her she wasn’t having a heart attack.

A couple of thoughts. First, Mrs. Sorrel is smarter than the EMS crew that came to her house. She at least knew that women often have atypical presentations. That’s partially because what we are taught in EMT and paramedic classes about cardiac disease is based on outmoded models. Which unfortunately doesn’t make us all that different from most of the rest of medicine. Sad, that.

More fail by the EMS crew. Never, ever, tell a patient that they aren’t having a heart attack. The most I ever told anyone was “Everything that we can look at, looks good. BUT, the hospital can do some tests that we can’t and we think a trip to the hospital would be in your best interest.” As I tell my students, especially those that are already practicing as paramedics, the 12 Lead ECG (or EKG if you prefer) is confirmatory, not diagnostic. A patient can have a cardiac event going on and still have a normal looking ECG. The determination should be made based on the history and physical examination of the patient, not some squiggly lines on a screen or piece of paper.

Third fail. Sending people bills when they decide not to go to the hospital. As the story points out, that will either result in a complaint or they will decide not to call 9-1-1 in the future.

Here’s a thought for you legal types. If actions of an EMS service discourage a person from calling 9-1-1 in the future AND that person suffers harm as a result of not calling, has an actionable tort occurred?

 

North Shore Fire Chief Robert Whitaker told WISN 12 News that many residents don’t know their taxes don’t completely cover 911 costs, so the department posts fees on its website.
Here’s a thought chief. Try having your folks explain this at the time of the call, because I’d be willing to bet that not a lot of people hang around your website looking at fee schedules. For those interested, here is a link. Nice of you to offer a discount to residents. That might be illegal or the subject of a law suit, but the thoughts there.

Whitaker said most private insurance covers the cost,

Maybe a notice about that, along with a list of which insurance companies do and don’t cover those expenses would be helpful.

Friday afternoon, a Medicare spokeswoman told WISN 12 News the agency doesn’t want to discourage anyone from calling 911. She said a case worker will contact Sarrel to review her claim.
Medicare has been pretty consistent that they don’t want to pay for no transports. Occasionally they will, but the circumstances are limited. I wouldn’t expect too much assistance from them.
I think from a public relations standpoint, the best thing to do now is just write this bill off. Then, send the medics for remediation on their assessment skills. Then have them sit through a presentation on patient refusals and the dangers inherent therein.
Coincidentally, I’m available to provide the needed remediation. For a fee of course, after all the tax payers aren’t subsidizing any of my costs.  I’ll bring along my own clue bat at no extra charge.
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I'm a retired paramedic who formerly worked in a largish city in the Northeast corner of the U.S. In my post EMS life I provide Quality Improvement instruction and consulting under contract. I haven't really retired, I just don't work nights, holidays, or weekends.  I escaped the Northeast a couple of years ago and now live in Texas.  I'm more than just a little opinionated, but that comes with having been around the block more than once. You can email me at EMSArtifact@gmail.com After living most of my life (so far) in the northeast my lovely wife and I have moved to central Texas because we weren't comfortable in the northeast any longer. Life is full of twists and turns.

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    • Which of course is exactly what we don’t want her to do. Assuming she drives, but even if she doesn’t she might call a relative over to do that.

  1. THANK YOU! I was appalled to read that the EMTs told this lady she wasn’t having a heart attack based on an EKG and a set of vitals. That’s pretty close to malpractice…I learned in my paramedic class NEVER to tell a patient something like that, and that paramedics are NOT qualified to make that determination. In fact one of the ambulance services where I trained changed their policy to prohibit telling patients that they didn’t need to go to the hospital. If the patient decided on his own not to go, fine, but the medics could no longer decide that for the patient. You are correct that Ms. Sorrel was more clued in than the people who were supposed to be helping her.

    • A friend of mine who is both a lawyer and paramedic with over 30 years in both fields says that no good ever comes from paramedic initiated refusals. He should know since he’s litigated both sides of those cases and served as an expert witness in others. I live by those words and never tell someone “You don’t need to go to the hospital.”

  2. They have quite a fee schedule too. If you get caught in an MCI triage tags are an extra $3.00. Fire reports are $0.25 per page but EMS reports are $20 plus $1 per page for the first 25 pages.

  3. They should probably “write” off the charges.

    [Since you’re the one who not too long ago was harping on EMTs for misspellings, I feel legally obligated to give you shit for it! 😉 ]

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